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« on: January 15, 2007, 03:37:19 PM »

I am having serious problems between IE and FF/Netscape on this one site.    I've been leaning more towards CSS here recently, but my club really likes this layout that I threw together, so I want to get this going good.    What I want to do is have the table cell located below the weather to autoexpand to fill the page vertically as far as needed.    I have this working great in FF/Netscape, but it looks hideous in IE.    As you can see in the Past Events & Videos pages, more than just the bottom cell are autoexpending, which is throwing everything off.   

Any help/words of advice would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks in advance!!!!

Here is the site: www.mustangsofburlington.com/new_one/
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2007, 05:38:58 PM »

I see that it drops the weather table down by adding more space in the table above it...

*ponders*

What happens if you declare an absolute height value for the table with the upcoming events or a height percentage?
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2007, 09:09:09 PM »

I see that it drops the weather table down by adding more space in the table above it...

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What happens if you declare an absolute height value for the table with the upcoming events or a height percentage?
I think you mean table cells.  The entire site is basically one big table with only the Videos and Past Events pages containing a separate table for their relative items.  Plus, the Upcoming Events are constantly changing, so I have the need for a dynamic cell that autoexpands vertically.  Really getting frustrating because it works perfectly in FF. Angry
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2007, 09:48:40 PM »

I'll send my webslave in. Maybe he'll know.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2007, 10:41:59 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2007, 11:16:23 PM »

not the browsers at all --- but rather your html source --- i'm gonna go to town and clean it up for for an example that hopefully you'll learn to be more methodical and not take stabs at stuff -- which it seems you were trying to do, but without patients --- it's pretty important to keep source clean - especially so you work with it easily when you need to do modifications --- i spit back a clean working page in a bit - but it might be a while, as i've said. . .
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 01:15:48 AM »

ok - here's the thing - i'm not so discouraged with you, but rather web page design programs like dreamweaver --- it takes just as much effort to learn that kind of program as it does to learn straight HTML --- but if you don't learn straight HTML you will never have control. . .

check out hxxp: www. w3schools. com/
particularly hxxp: www. w3schools. com/html/ and hxxp: www. w3schools. com/css/

anywho - with that being said - the following should work nicely for you in FF and IE
Code:
<html>
<head>
<title>Mustangs Of Burlington - Home</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<!-- ImageReady Preload Script (clantemplate2.psd) -->
<link href="MOBCSS.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript" src="MOBJS.js"></script>
<!-- End Preload Script -->
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" margin="0" onload="preloadImages();">
<!-- ImageReady Slices (clantemplate2.psd) -->

<center>
<table margin="0" class="main" align="center" width="880" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img
src="images/clantemplate2_01.jpg" alt="Mustangs Of Burlington" width="880" height="194" border="0"

usemap="#Map"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img
src="images/clantemplate2_02.jpg" width="880" height="13"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2">

<table margin="0" align="center" width="880" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td><img
src="images/clantemplate2_03.jpg" width="80" height="26"></td>
<td>
<a href="index-2.html"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_04', 'images/clantemplate2_04-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_04', 'images/clantemplate2_04.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_04', 'images/clantemplate2_04-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_04', 'images/clantemplate2_04-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_04" src="images/clantemplate2_04.jpg" width="119" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td colspan="2">
<a href="http://www.mustangsofburlington.com/bboard1/index.php"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_05', 'images/clantemplate2_05-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_05', 'images/clantemplate2_05.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_05', 'images/clantemplate2_05-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_05', 'images/clantemplate2_05-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_05" src="images/clantemplate2_05.jpg" width="123" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td>
<a href="pastevents.html"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_06', 'images/clantemplate2_06-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_06', 'images/clantemplate2_06.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_06', 'images/clantemplate2_06-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_06', 'images/clantemplate2_06-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_06" src="images/clantemplate2_06.jpg" width="118" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td>
<a href="videos.html"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_07', 'images/clantemplate2_07-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_07', 'images/clantemplate2_07.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_07', 'images/clantemplate2_07-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_07', 'images/clantemplate2_07-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_07" src="images/clantemplate2_07.jpg" width="119" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td>
<a href="sponsors.html"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_08', 'images/clantemplate2_08-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_08', 'images/clantemplate2_08.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_08', 'images/clantemplate2_08-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_08', 'images/clantemplate2_08-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_08" src="images/clantemplate2_08.jpg" width="121" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td>
<a href="mailto:info@mustangsofburlington.com"
onmouseover="changeImages('clantemplate2_09', 'images/clantemplate2_09-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseout="changeImages('clantemplate2_09', 'images/clantemplate2_09.jpg'); return true;"
onmousedown="changeImages('clantemplate2_09', 'images/clantemplate2_09-over.jpg'); return true;"
onmouseup="changeImages('clantemplate2_09', 'images/clantemplate2_09-over.jpg'); return true;"><img
name="clantemplate2_09" src="images/clantemplate2_09.jpg" width="120" height="26" border="0"></a></td>
<td><img
src="images/clantemplate2_10.jpg" width="80" height="26" alt=""></td>
</tr>
</table>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2"><img
src="images/clantemplate2_11.jpg" width="880" height="12"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="296">

<table margin="0" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="296">
<tr>
<td class="header" valign="middle" height="29"
background="images/clantemplate2_12.jpg">
&gt;&gt; Upcoming Events</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><img
src="images/clantemplate2_14.jpg" height="11"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" align="center" class="content" background="images/clantemplate2_16.jpg">
<strong>1/13/07</strong><br>
<a href="http://mustangsofburlington.com/bboard1/index.php?topic=774.0">January Meeting<br>
Mayberry West 6:30 </a>
<hr>
<strong>1/27/07</strong><br>
<a href="http://mustangsofburlington.com/bboard1/index.php?topic=776.0">Annual Banquet @ Company<br>
Shops Gallery D-Town Burlington</a>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="14" bgcolor="#262626" valign="top"><img
src="images/clantemplate2_20.jpg" width="296" height="14"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="header" valign="middle" background="images/clantemplate2_12.jpg" height="29">
&gt;&gt; Burlington Weather</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="11" bgcolor="#262626" valign="top"><img
src="images/clantemplate2_14.jpg" height="11"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height="10" valign="top" background="images/clantemplate2_16.jpg" align="center" bgcolor="262626"><script

src='http://voap.weather.com/weather/oap/27215?template=DRIVV&amp;par=1028727049&amp;unit=0&amp;key=b2f1

404422d345b8a1d25c65ec340133'></script></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap bgcolor="#262626" valign="top">
<img src="images/clantemplate2_20.jpg" width="296" height="14"></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="#262626">
<td height="14" bgcolor="#262626" valign="top">&nbsp;</td>
</tr>
</table>

</td>
<td valign="top" width="*%">

<table margin="0" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<td class="header" valign="middle" background="images/clantemplate2_13.jpg" height="29">
&gt;&gt; About Us</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<img src="images/clantemplate2_15.jpg" height="11"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" class="content" background="images/clantemplate2_17.jpg">
<p>
In the spring of 2003, a couple of gear-heads met at a local cruise spot - the Sonic drive-in. Their chance encounter

sparked what would later become the Mustangs Of Burlington. The club quickly grew from 2 'stangs to 6. That group of

six cars became known as the &quot;Sonic Six&quot;. Word quickly spread about the club and membership has grown

steadily ever since. To date, we have over 50 official members. </p><p>
We are headed by a leadership committee made up of 5 members:
</p>
      <ul class="maillinks">
        <li>Chairman:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Tim Stinson</font></strong></li><br>
          </ul>
        </li>
        <li>Co-Chairman:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Darrell Hinshaw</font></strong></li><br>
          </ul>
        </li>
        <li>Events Coordinator:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Mark Bailey</font></strong></li><br>
          </ul>
        </li>
        <li>Treasurer:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Catherine Stinson</font></strong></li><br>
          </ul>
        </li>
        <li>Secretary:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Lauren Brown</font></strong></li><br>
          </ul>
        </li>
        <li>Web Administrator:
          <ul>
            <li><strong><font color="#FFFFFF">Jeff Wright</font></strong></li>
          </ul>
        </li>
      </ul>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" background="#262626" height="14">
<img src="images/clantemplate2_21.jpg" width="584" height="14"></td>
</tr>
</table>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2">
<img src="images/clantemplate2_22.jpg" width="880" height="43"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" bgcolor="#262626">
<img src="images/spacer.gif" width="80" height="1"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</center>


<!-- End ImageReady Slices -->
<map name="Map">
<area shape="rect" coords="664,10,869,61" href="#">
</map>


</body>
</html>
basically you never address the font to use or the font size - that coupled with using "nowrap" meant when IE was displaying the font larger it was pushing the table cells out of wack --- "basically" - but there were many many (and still some) problems --- i went to town on it in a rather quick fashion and if you note the timestamps on these posts you'll see it was rather an endevour to make sense outta that thing --- and so i didn't bring all up to par 100% - i'll leave that up to you - for if i were to do anymore i think then you'd have to modify the name used at the bottom of the page for its designer --- but must important learn straight html - it's easy -- and if you google good, you bout answer any straight html (and css) question that pops up. . .
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 01:21:03 AM »

He wants you to have these links:

check out http://www.w3schools.com/
particularly http://www.w3schools.com/html/ and http://www.w3schools.com/css/
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 08:11:33 AM »

I'll check out the code when I get out of school.  I have been learning HTML and XHTML and I'm actually in a Web Scripting course as I type this.  I'm pretty much brand new to this stuff, so don't be too rough on me.  Also, LOTS of that code was typed in directly and not using Dreamweaver.
Anyhow, I do appreiate the assistance and certainly the time put into it. Cool
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 09:37:22 AM »

Alright, took a look at the code and noticed the changes made.  I greatly appreciate it.  And you are certainly right, I have much more to learn about this stuff.  Then again, I've only been doing it for about 2 months in my spare time, so........
There are still a few glitches here and there, but I'll get them sorted.  Again, thanks for this!
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 03:48:01 PM »

I'll tell 'em. I don't know if they plan on stopping by again or not. The webslave is a bit of an artist which includes the artist's flight of fancy I am afraid.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 07:01:02 PM »

hi 4fit. . .

glad to see you got the source - of course, you can simply highlite it, copy, and paste - and you'll see it remedies the issues you asked about (if i understood you properly).

i had noticed that much of it was not directly dreamweaver - basically, my opinion is that a simple text editor, such as notepad, is far easier and much better to use for the creation of webpages.  as stated, such gives you total control - the thing then, however is learning, or more often finding, the specific HTML elements (proper tags and usage) when called for. 

i've been on this stuff for years (much more than four years) and i am still learning > somewhere between something everyday and something every week - so pretty much i'm saying when writing straight HTML (and CSS of course) the trick is to know how or where to find answers to do this or that < believe me when i say a good deal of my endevous into HTML and CSS consists of hunting down the proper way to do such.

and so i too am just learning, even after close to ten years --- and boy i tell you, i make mistakes.

i apologize for venting my frustrations with dreamweaver and such programs in a way that seemed such was directed at you --- it's just that i've helped and helped and helped folks so many times that use such WYSIWYG HTML editors when i know they'd all be better off simply leaning HTML being how it's as easy to learn as it is to learn how to use them HTML editors Tongue

anywho --- now that you see my solution to the issues you were having - and i admit not the BEST solution, but it works, and easy enough - please feel free to ask anything - and if not as involved as what was already done, i will answer - just try to find the answers on your own first (i'm sure you have - and i understand it's difficult to find answers that'll actually work with HTML as complicated/messy as what you had - sorry - but true) - the w3shools site is excellent place to find answers. . .

as is:
www.htmlhelp.com
> HTML Ref > http://htmlhelp.c...reference/html40/
> CSS Ref > http://htmlhelp.com/reference/css/

OH - another small note > the last value in your CSS has a double (2) semi-colins (";") < technically not good. . .

but really please don't let my frustrations with dreamweavers and simular apps underMINDing people's true abilities stop you from asking anything . . . .

hey at the least you can ask - huh???
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 07:25:44 AM »

Ah, didn't notice the double semicolons.  I'll certainly fix that.  There were a few things that needed tweaking in the source you provided, but I had it working properly in less than 20 minutes.  Thanks again for all your help. 
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hmmm - curious - what kinda things did you have to do???
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2007, 07:54:10 AM »

hmmm - curious - what kinda things did you have to do???
Just a few little changes here and there.  One of the columns was off a smidge, you know, little things like that.  Nothing major at all.  I had it looking just fine in 15-20 minutes.  I did recently take the time to make it XHTML 1.0 Transitional compliant and validated the html and css with W3C's validator.  If you want to check out the whole site, Click Here.

It's not up and running for my club yet.  Matter of fact, they don't even know it exists yet.  We're not announcing the Car Of The Year winner until tomorrow night.  After that, it will go live to everyone.

Again, thanks for your help with this.  It is greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2007, 03:46:47 AM »

(He's actually gone ahead and registered now. Took him long enough...)
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